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AMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer

Posted 5 months ago

#20

miker1264 wrote:

@miker1264 - The Tiffany Themes for AfA OS use 32bit Transparent Images.

They may also work with Amiga OS 3.5/3.9

They can be found on Amiga-Look.org

My AfA One Distribution includes AfA OS, I am familiar with Amiga-Look.org, some time ago I was the one who reported it here !

On the Workbench the AfA OS themes are not transparent, the icons can become transparent when you drag them (Option you find on AfA_OS Prefs, see screenshot)

Basically if you change the background color the color of the Theme stays the same, AmiStart on the other hand changes color automatically !

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Posted 5 months ago

#19

The Tiffany Themes for AfA OS use 32bit Transparent Images.

They may also work with Amiga OS 3.5/3.9

They can be found on Amiga-Look.org

Edited by miker1264 on 06-05-2024 18:43, 5 months ago

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AMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer

Posted 5 months ago

#18

miker1264 wrote:

If we could use 32bit images then maybe a transparent theme would be possible.

Tried to convert images of some 32Bit Themes, but no transparency is visible, anyway on AROS x86 Amistart supports transparencies, while on AROS 68k transparencies are supported by WBDock !

AfA OS does not have Transparent Themes, it only has the Amistart Transparent bar like AROS.

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Posted 5 months ago

#17

I know of AFA_OS, I just thought, or rather hoped there might be some other solution that provided also alpha! Thanks!

miker1264Software Dev

Posted 5 months ago

#16

@pixie

If you go to amiga-look.org there is a theme pack for OS3.x Themes #2 for AfA OS. Download the theme pack then unpack the lha archive.

In the Tiffany themes in the 13 folder the close gadget is 32bit with alpha values.

Change .info extension to PNG to view the image. Rename as .info when finished.

Edited by miker1264 on 06-05-2024 11:58, 5 months ago

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Posted 5 months ago

#15

miker1264 wrote:

@miker1264 - The problem with transparency or even semi-transparency for window themes is that the PNG images for the theme are 24bit images. For Amiga OS4 and Amiga OS3 it's possible to have 32bit images for the pieces that make a theme.

If we could use 32bit images then maybe a transparent theme would be possible.

I Imagine that OS4 did use alpha for composition, but didn't knew Amiga OS 3 also used it.

AMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer

Posted 5 months ago

#14

If I understand correctly it is the Theme manager that does not support 32Bit Images, also because the images used in Themes are 32Bit

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miker1264Software Dev

Posted 5 months ago

#13

The problem with transparency or even semi-transparency for window themes is that the PNG images for the theme are 24bit images. For Amiga OS4 and Amiga OS3 it's possible to have 32bit images for the pieces that make a theme.

If we could use 32bit images then maybe a transparent theme would be possible.

Edited by miker1264 on 03-05-2024 19:05, 5 months ago

AMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer

Posted 5 months ago

#12

I mean 2 types of transparency, one you can see it in my AROS One 68k video attached, look at the bar underneath of "WBDock", basically the bar takes the color of the background, same thing happens with Amistart on AROS One x86.

https://youtu.be/...

The other transparency is the one used by Win7, see screnshot

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Posted 5 months ago

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AMIGASYSTEM wrote:

@AMIGASYSTEM - Thanks miker, I will be happy to include your tools on the next AROS One.

Regarding Themes, do you think it is possible to get "Transparent" Themes like the Amistart bar ?

Could you post a sample of what you mean by Transparent Theme?

AMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer

Posted 5 months ago

#10

Thanks miker, I will be happy to include your tools on the next AROS One.

Regarding Themes, do you think it is possible to get "Transparent" Themes like the Amistart bar ?

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Amiwell79Distro Maintainer

Posted 5 months ago

many thanks Miker

miker1264Software Dev

Posted 5 months ago

BTW - I will be working on finishing Icon Builder and then continuing work on some other icon tools as well with a focus of making them Amiga Compatible for Cross Platform Applications. Icon Split cli is an example of that concept.

Recently I've been updating my picture viewers hoping to make them Amiga Compatible but until I come up with a working display method that will be on hold. Amiga 68k is not same as AROS.

I'll be releasing more window Themes and new Icons as well in the near future, God willing.

Theme Builder is also being worked on along with a few other projects. Stay tuned.

Edited by miker1264 on 03-05-2024 13:50, 5 months ago

miker1264Software Dev

Posted 5 months ago

AMIGASYSTEM

Hello.

As far as I know for the Dual PNG Icons on AROS the icon type is not stored in the icOn chunk. But rather Icon Library uses several criteria to decide what type of icon it is such as if it is at the root of a volume named disk info or if it's associated with a drawer or if it is a project or tool icon with tool types stored in the icOn chunk.

So your observation about how Icon Library decides what type of icon is mostly correct. But the type of icon doesn't change. The type isn't stored. Only the criteria changes for the icon.

However the icon type is stored in Classic Amiga Icons in the disk object data. So that is a different situation.

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Posted 5 months ago

Hi miker, about changing Icon type, I don't know if you ever noticed, on Wandererer the icons are "Universal", basically an Icon automatically changes "the icon type" if it is associated with a file of different type.

Not only if for example you associate a Tool Icon with a Folder, the icon will automatically change to Folder Icon, the same icon if you rename it Disk.info, it will change to Disk Icon.

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Posted 7 months ago

On Wanderer it serves even more, if you try to replace a "Disk.info" (for exmple copy it from Dopus4) in a volume, Wanderer will not notice the change, in the menu there are no entries to update, in the menu there is update but it does not update this change, the only way to see the new icon is to use from the menu "Backdrop", just disable/enable it.

On OS 3.9 however this doesn't happen, if you replace a volume icon, the new icon appears immediately on the workbench,

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miker1264Software Dev

Posted 7 months ago

It seems that Refresh Icons remaps & redraws icons on Workbench after switching screens. That's not as useful for AROS as it is for Amiga.

Refresh Icons for Wanderer would be useful to re-display icons after an icon exchange if the icon images don't change automatically. If we don't already have that we should add the menu item to the Wanderer Menu.

Edited by miker1264 on 20-02-2024 21:10, 7 months ago

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Posted 7 months ago

miker, I don't know if you are interested, my friend PeterK has created "RefreshIcons" an application that on AROS would be very useful for updating Wanderer.
Peter along with the application has also included the sources, but unfortunately they are in the asm language !

I attach links where you can read all the features:

https://eab.abime...count=4348

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Amiwell79Distro Maintainer

Posted 7 months ago

Many thanks

miker1264Software Dev

Posted 7 months ago

Sometimes, no matter what good intentions I have to do programming, life intervenes. I had a few days this week of down time.

But I did finish reconstruction of several build systems (VM's) in VMWare. Each Ubuntu VM occupies about 50GB of space so that's about 300GB of data. So now I can build AROS again.

Next I have to rebuild all the test OS's in VirtualBox then reconstruct DevCPP cross compiler then finally DosBox. That's quite a bit of work.

Edited by miker1264 on 15-02-2024 12:51, 7 months ago

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