Hi miker, about changing Icon type, I don't know if you ever noticed, on Wandererer the icons are "Universal", basically an Icon automatically changes "the icon type" if it is associated with a file of different type.

Not only if for example you associate a Tool Icon with a Folder, the icon will automatically change to Folder Icon, the same icon if you rename it Disk.info, it will change to Disk Icon.

AMIGASYSTEM

Hello.

As far as I know for the Dual PNG Icons on AROS the icon type is not stored in the icOn chunk. But rather Icon Library uses several criteria to decide what type of icon it is such as if it is at the root of a volume named disk info or if it's associated with a drawer or if it is a project or tool icon with tool types stored in the icOn chunk.

So your observation about how Icon Library decides what type of icon is mostly correct. But the type of icon doesn't change. The type isn't stored. Only the criteria changes for the icon.

However the icon type is stored in Classic Amiga Icons in the disk object data. So that is a different situation.

BTW - I will be working on finishing Icon Builder and then continuing work on some other icon tools as well with a focus of making them Amiga Compatible for Cross Platform Applications. Icon Split cli is an example of that concept.

Recently I've been updating my picture viewers hoping to make them Amiga Compatible but until I come up with a working display method that will be on hold. Amiga 68k is not same as AROS.

I'll be releasing more window Themes and new Icons as well in the near future, God willing.

Theme Builder is also being worked on along with a few other projects. Stay tuned.

many thanks Miker

Thanks miker, I will be happy to include your tools on the next AROS One.

Regarding Themes, do you think it is possible to get "Transparent" Themes like the Amistart bar ?

[quote name=AMIGASYSTEM post=5136]@AMIGASYSTEM - Thanks miker, I will be happy to include your tools on the next AROS One.

Regarding Themes, do you think it is possible to get "Transparent" Themes like the Amistart bar ?[/quote]

Could you post a sample of what you mean by Transparent Theme?

I mean 2 types of transparency, one you can see it in my AROS One 68k video attached, look at the bar underneath of "WBDock", basically the bar takes the color of the background, same thing happens with Amistart on AROS One x86.

https://youtu.be/zSXcGjkbMU4

The other transparency is the one used by Win7, see screnshot

The problem with transparency or even semi-transparency for window themes is that the PNG images for the theme are 24bit images. For Amiga OS4 and Amiga OS3 it's possible to have 32bit images for the pieces that make a theme.

If we could use 32bit images then maybe a transparent theme would be possible.

If I understand correctly it is the Theme manager that does not support 32Bit Images, also because the images used in Themes are 32Bit

[quote name=miker1264 post=5139]@miker1264 - The problem with transparency or even semi-transparency for window themes is that the PNG images for the theme are 24bit images. For Amiga OS4 and Amiga OS3 it's possible to have 32bit images for the pieces that make a theme.

If we could use 32bit images then maybe a transparent theme would be possible.[/quote]

I Imagine that OS4 did use alpha for composition, but didn't knew Amiga OS 3 also used it.

@pixie

If you go to amiga-look.org there is a theme pack for OS3.x Themes #2 for AfA OS. Download the theme pack then unpack the lha archive.

In the Tiffany themes in the 13 folder the close gadget is 32bit with alpha values.

Change .info extension to PNG to view the image. Rename as .info when finished.

I know of AFA_OS, I just thought, or rather hoped there might be some other solution that provided also alpha! Thanks!

[quote name=miker1264 post=5139]

If we could use 32bit images then maybe a transparent theme would be possible.[/quote]

Tried to convert images of some 32Bit Themes, but no transparency is visible, anyway on AROS x86 Amistart supports transparencies, while on AROS 68k transparencies are supported by WBDock !

AfA OS does not have Transparent Themes, it only has the Amistart Transparent bar like AROS.

The Tiffany Themes for AfA OS use 32bit Transparent Images.

They may also work with Amiga OS 3.5/3.9

They can be found on Amiga-Look.org

[quote name=miker1264 post=5193]@miker1264 - The Tiffany Themes for AfA OS use 32bit Transparent Images.

They may also work with Amiga OS 3.5/3.9

They can be found on Amiga-Look.org[/quote]

My AfA One Distribution includes AfA OS, I am familiar with Amiga-Look.org, some time ago I was the one who reported it here !

On the Workbench the AfA OS themes are not transparent, the icons can become transparent when you drag them (Option you find on AfA_OS Prefs, see screenshot)

Basically if you change the background color the color of the Theme stays the same, AmiStart on the other hand changes color automatically !

Now that the days are getting cooler I can work more in my home office without roasting like a coffee bean!

Speaking of Caffeine, I have some Amiga apps to try on my Amiga 1200 with PiStorm32 running Caffeine OS. Among them is the Amiga CLI version of Icon Split. I should also test this on AROS 68k to see if the 68k version works. As you see in the screenshot it is already working in OS 3.5 in WinUAE. This small CLI program uses the same source code as the AROS x86 version and it does the same. It will split an Amiga Glow Icon into ILBM images. This involves decoding both the IMAG chunks.

Icon Press is another CLI application for both AROS and Amiga that will join two ILBM images to make a new Amiga Glow Icon. This, of course, involves encoding the IMAG chunks. Breaking the project into two smaller apps makes the development and testing process easier.

These two small apps are the basis for a larger AROS/Amiga application called Icon Make that will have a simple User Interface and three buttons with a small menu system. Icon Make was my previous concept for Icon Press GUI. But it was too ambitious. It involved too many complex operations and it would have resulted in inferior Glow Icon images using color reduction. So I decided to make another small app that uses actual color quantizing to produce nice looking Amiga ILBM images with 8 bitplanes.

I-Convert, ( for lack of a better name), uses Neuquant Color Quantizing to covert a 32bit PNG icon image into an 8bit ILBM image. So now this simplifies the Icon Make application. Icon Make will only join two PNG images or two ILBM images to make an icon. Or if an icon is loaded (drag-n-drop) then it will split it.

It's good to get back to AROS programming!

Good to see you back to AROS programming!

welcome back Miker!

[quote name=deadwood post=6490]@deadwood - Good to see you back to AROS programming![/quote]

I couldn't stay away for long with so many interesting projects that I see other people doing!

Thanks for helping us by improving OWB browser functionality. :-)

[quote name=mattson62 post=6491]@mattson62 - welcome back Miker![/quote]

Thank you.

I've been enjoying your AROS videos on YouTube lately. Great job and thanks for the enthusiasm to promote AROS. I've also been watching some of Chris Edwards videos about Amiga XL lately.

I have a couple old PC's at the computer repair shop where I work. I rescued them from the recycle bin. One of them is running Tiny AROS and the other is happily running AROS One x86. It's great for testing AROS applications and I believe both PC's have gcc installed at the command line. For testing Amiga apps I could use WinUAE but where's the fun in that? I have an old socket 775 motherboard from 2004 and it has either 512MB or 1GB DDR2 RAM. Maybe I could try Amiga XL (Amithlon) when I get around to that.