[quote name=ntromans post=4437]@ntromans It meets my needs in education, albeit via Janus to run PageStream and Finalcalc, but also for building education 'tools' via Hollywood. I've even used it for online tutoring, with a touchscreen hacked onto my Samsung and some electronic whiteboard software I've written in Hollywood. I shared the AROS screen with a Linux box running Teams (again using Hollywood as it was a bit quicker than VNC), so admitedly AROS could not do everything there. [/quote] Wow, that's some creative use here. Congratz!

Hi, I prefer choice, I nearly always download AROS One as I like a preconfigured OS. So please continue :) I can understand that others like a minimalist approach and build it up in their preference/style. Which is where tiny aros / icaros lite steps in. I suspect that doing any distro is time consuming and the maintainers do not get thanked enough for their efforts Icaros approach still targets a huge sway of software than than individual ones. We have no central depositry that allows individual software other than aros-archives which you extract where you like and setup yourself usually. Not sure we have anyone wanting to take that huge task on though and would it be needed? Interesting discussion and look at others needs/wants though

[quote name=AMIGASYSTEM]@AMIGASYSTEM - Khadas is your choice, in any case on AROS One can be installed minimal, just disable extras from from InstallAROS, then delete Tools folder and unnecessary icons from Amistart ! Since many people like the basic system, I will spend less time to update and improve AROS One ![/quote] My intention was not to discourage you or anything! Sorry if it sounded like that. I love seeing alternative OSes having a lot of development. I think the fact that some people give you their opinion means that the community uses or cares about your distro :) In my case, I want some of the extras, but not everything, so selecting to install extras will install more than what I need, so it is a situation of "everything or nothing". Also, the idea of downloading first the base system and then another ISO with additional stuff might not be such a great idea. In my case, I am totally new to AROS and never used an Amiga, so I don't know how I should properly "install" the contents of that additional ISO. So the way Icaros does, I think it is more elegant and user friendly. [img]https://i.imgur.com/A6uYyxc.png[/img] [quote name=AMIGASYSTEM]Many "new users" when they try an empty Distribution with no productive applications and no configurationsi trash it, this is one of the reasons for the lack of diffusion.[/quote] I think it is a matter of how easy it is to start using the computer for basic tasks after the first installation. AROS base system is too barebones for the average enduser. I took a loot at AROS base system and it doesn't even come with tar/lha/zip/7zip/rar software, so even if I download something from OWB I cannot uncompress it, so I need to go back to Windows, download from there, uncompress and then back to AROS. At the top of the downloads page in AROS website, there is a note that says: "[i]If you are a user wanting to try AROS, please use the links in the Distributions section to download a fully-featured AROS distribution. The nightly builds you will find at the bottom of the page are only meant for developers and testers. The nightly builds are not configured to be easily used, are not always stable, and they are missing most of the applications essential to a regular user experience[/i]." I would change it to something like "[i]The Nightly builds available here do not contain any software, configuration files or supporting libraries. This base system cannot be easily used, so we recommend to use instead any of the distributions listed in this page[/i]". [quote name=AMIGASYSTEM]Unfortunately AROS users like Amiga users are tied to old systems, and do not like modernity, the same thing happened to me with AfA One, where people preferred OS 3.1, so at this point is it worth spending so much time ?[/quote] There are young people who like alternative OSes and vintage hardware, but they don't want to buy an Amiga. I am not tied to old hardware. My main PC is a Core i3 with a modern nvidia card, and AROS works fine, so there is no need to be tied to an early 2000s laptop to make it work. I think it is worth the time.

Although I have installed several flavors of AROS both Native and Hosted in VirtualBox and I have 5 PC's running AROS natively it's mostly for testing. But AROS has some interesting features and I find myself using it for various tasks such as graphics design and text editing among others. And I have been known to listen to music on my AROS One x86 installs. You caught me!

I am using AROS natively all the times and yes i do use daily mainly graphics,sound,coding,browsing its fine for my usage...

I'm still lurking around, long time no post but real world issues have been very demanding for the last 6 months or so. Anyway... As some here may know I run AROS natively and as my daily driver as much as possble, beacuse it's inherited the elligance of AmigaOS and dosen't drive me to distraction as the mainstream alternative do. It meets my needs in education, albeit via Janus to run PageStream and Finalcalc, but also for building education 'tools' via Hollywood. I've even used it for online tutoring, with a touchscreen hacked onto my Samsung and some electronic whiteboard software I've written in Hollywood. I shared the AROS screen with a Linux box running Teams (again using Hollywood as it was a bit quicker than VNC), so admitedly AROS could not do everything there. I'm still using Yam for e-mail; oddly enough this turned out to be very useful recently as my provider managed to loose all of its customers' archived e-mails, so anyone depending on browser-based access were in trouble, but of course with YAM everything is downloaded so I lost nothing. OWB gets used for as many sites as will work; for anything else (mainly e-commerce stes with lots of security) I have a MorphOS machine with Wayfarer. AROS suits my media playing needs too. I recently set up an Android tablet in our kitchen to steam music in there - after some very frustrating experience with this I'm trying to think of a way to put an AROS machine into tablet form... So, I'm very happy with AROS and immesely grateful to all the developers and distribution maintaineers continuing to progress the system; cheers!

miker you probably used a DVD, all OS now synstall from a Pendrive, with a Pendrive AROS One installs 5/8 minutes depending on PC power, otherwise even less Time. Even on VMware and VirtualBox AROS One 2.4 installs 5/8, even less if you use a modern perfomant PC Many "new users" when they try an empty Distribution with no productive applications and no configurationsi trash it, this is one of the reasons for the lack of diffusion. Unfortunately AROS users like Amiga users are tied to old systems, and do not like modernity, the same thing happened to me with AfA One, where people preferred OS 3.1, so at this point is it worth spending so much time ?

[quote name=AMIGASYSTEM post=4430]@AMIGASYSTEM - Khadas is your choice, in any case on AROS One can be installed minimal, just disable extras from from InstallAROS, then delete Tools folder and unnecessary icons from Amistart ! Since many people like the basic system, I will spend less time to update and improve AROS One ![/quote] It might be better to have a basic installation of AROS One then place an Extras Archive on your site for download for those who want more. I installed AROS One x86 v1.9 and it took about 45 minutes to copy all the extras to the hard disk. If a new user just wants to try it then 45 minutes is a lot of time to spend installing extra software. Even Icaros when it was maintained had both a Lite Version as well as a Full Version. :)

Khadas is your choice, in any case on AROS One can be installed minimal, just disable extras from from InstallAROS, then delete Tools folder and unnecessary icons from Amistart ! Since many people like the basic system, I will spend less time to update and improve AROS One !

I have updated the fix package for icaros can be found on aros archives

[quote name=AMIGASYSTEM post=4419] You continue to have misconceptions, AROS is not Linux, on AROS One there are no additional libraries or packages, the only additional packages are the various Third Party Applications. the operating system is basic AROS, only added some configurations to make it easier to use. On AROS every library or system file is used, there are no unused libraries, with a base system much of the Third Party Software will not work for you because they will require libraries not in the base Build. IcaroOS for example does not use a Wanderer (Workbench Standard), but is based on Magellan, so it is very different from basic AROS, even the system settings are different and therefore two completely different experiences ![/quote] Thank you for your reply. What I mean is that AROS one, comes with 3rd party software such as games, video/music players, VNC server/client, emulators, etc and their associated libraries that I don't need, so the result is a system with a lot of software, libraries, and the desktop with many icons that I will never use. I only need OWB, some simple code editor, compress/decompress tools, and a couple more things, but unfortunately AROS One doesn't allow to select individual software during installation like how Icaros does, so maybe it could be a good idea to offer that same thing in Aros One. So it just happened to be that I installed Icaros the first time and I selected every single possible 3rd party software to explore things around, but I would do the same if the first time was Aros One instead.

I have verified that after a few fixes all the software works, the contrb package of the new builds is not needed

IcarOS needs a gloabal update, IcarOS doesn't just need an update package, it must be "replaced all the Core" and all the Software in the Contrib package !

You can use icaros desktop which then has the two options to choose desktop enviroment, it works well even if obsolete I make you a package that contains the updates which are not many including the hollywood libraries some zune classes and libraries

[quote name=Khadas post=4415] That is exactly what I mean. Distros of a core system have additional packages that I don't need. For example, many Linux distros come with lots of software and libs that might not be needed by everyone and many distros don't allow you to select packages during installation (for example Lubuntu), so I don't see the reason to have a Linux distro where the only difference with others is just the 3rd party software, libraries and drivers installed. All of that should be prompt to the user during installation, and hardware should be detected during installation as well, and only the required drivers installed. Well, that is my point of view. [/quote] You continue to have misconceptions, AROS is not Linux, on AROS One there are no additional libraries or packages, the only additional packages are the various Third Party Applications. the operating system is basic AROS, only added some configurations to make it easier to use. On AROS every library or system file is used, there are no unused libraries, with a base system much of the Third Party Software will not work for you because they will require libraries not in the base Build. IcaroOS for example does not use a Wanderer (Workbench Standard), but is based on Magellan, so it is very different from basic AROS, even the system settings are different and therefore two completely different experiences !

I have to say that I tried to use it as daily driver but failed due to conditions of modern world. OWB is quiet useful as browser for AROS, but for using it for regular cases it still missing the full-Java-Script-Support of modern browsers like in Firefox or Chromium. Screenscaling is fine for modern monitors, but dual or triple monitors with Wanderer at the same time is still missing for using it for example for presentations - next to missing presentation-programms, starting to get filled by the community. Programms for office are nice to use, but still too buggy for using it for critical jobs where restarting is no option. Also smaller things like modern Connectionstandards like "WPA2 Personal / Enterprise" or "WPA3 Personal / Enterprise", IPv6-Support or just a simple paketmanager for upgrading programms let me rejecting the idea of using AROS as main OS. Hardware-support is something handable by selecting the right hardware for supported wireless or ethernet - but an issue, which bounding myself to older, maybe not really purchable hardware. So AROS stays for me as hobby-tool and OS to explore (maybe also fixing something one day).

@mattson62 Thank you for spreading the word and making the videos showin AROS in action!

[quote name=Amiwell79 post=4406]@Amiwell79 - ok hope you found my help useful hello regards[/quote] Yes, it was really helpful : ) [quote name=AMIGASYSTEM]...the only difference is that AROS One includes all the files nesessari to run any AROS Application, plus I created configurations to improve usability.[/quote] That is exactly what I mean. Distros of a core system have additional packages that I don't need. For example, many Linux distros come with lots of software and libs that might not be needed by everyone and many distros don't allow you to select packages during installation (for example Lubuntu), so I don't see the reason to have a Linux distro where the only difference with others is just the 3rd party software, libraries and drivers installed. All of that should be prompt to the user during installation, and hardware should be detected during installation as well, and only the required drivers installed. Well, that is my point of view. As for the configurations, that is nice, actually. Thanks. [quote name=AMIGASYSTEM]Remember that IcarOS has an old Core incompatible with "everything" the new Core and AROS One 2.4 and TinyAROS, also ache the third party software of the IcarOS "contrib" is incompatible with the new Core.[/quote] I plan to move on sooner or later. I use ICAROS more like a learning tool to understand the filesystem and to know what kind of software is available in general. After that, I will use either the reference build or one of the suggested distros.

I prefer a minimal system too so that's why I like Tiny AROS. But then I also like the completeness of AROS One x86. Maybe a synthesis of the two? Minimal system but complete and ready to go!

I love AROS and use it everyday.I have to use it on VirtualBox for now.I have a couple ICAROS,AROS ONE,and Tiny AROS.On ICAROS experimenting with different setups so far got OWB 1.26 working,I using it now!Anyways my love for Aros has impressed me to Share AROS to others to make it more known as it already is.The AROS Team has worked hard and has created a Jam packed OS and it's free and open source Thanks AROS TEAM!