Let's just see what happens. It is premature to judge a product when it's still in the brainstorming stage. The big brains such as (Emu68) Michal Schulz, Claude (PiStorm), Till Harbaum (Nanomig) and others, are already at work with it.
If you want to know more, you can read their chat on Discord under the #hardware-hacking
I love my old Amiga case on my desk and playing with the old floppy. ;-)
I bought my Amiga 1200 in 2008 when it was new. But now it has a PiStorm32 Lite which is much better than any old Amiga! Now it's a Raspberry Pi.
I suspect there are many more old Amiga users than AROS users. Apparently there are only 273 users on this forum. In my experience Amiga users also use AROS because it's more modern yet still familiar. It's very similar to Amiga OS.
PS - Fetishist = Hobbyist.
Edited by miker1264 on 19-01-2025 10:53, 3 months ago
I guess they're nostalgic, otherwise they would use haiku, linux, netbsd, freebsd... all better OSs in their own right. So I guess their fetishism is pretty much in line with anyone using an amigalike os. Each have their own reason, it's hard for me to understand why some from a fringe of computing feel the need to be little the very same fringe. It's even harder in a thread where you piggyback of hardware explicitly made to run Amiga games.
Hopefully this will happen and we will also have a Modern Amiga OS3, although the few remaining Amiga users are only nostalgic for old games and are not interested in a Modern Amiga if it will not be compatible with old games!
For some Amiga users, WinUAE and WHADLoad are a kind of sacrilege, they love the old Amiga case on their desk and playing with the old floppy, like a fetishist!
I didn't quite understand what you wrote, as said WHDload has its own internal system and works on all platforms the same way,
On AROS x86 there is no WinUAE (under development), but in the video run on AROS x86 'native PC, no emulation' I used the emulator Janus-UAE which is WinUAE based, on AROS x86 there is also the E.UAE and UAE emulator.
AROS 68k on the other hand if used on WinUAE you have maximum compatibility, WinUAE borders on perfection and all amiga OSes run perfectly, no "FPGA" at the moment can match WinUAE in both compatibility and power.
We can safely say that WinUAE is the fastest and most compatible Amiga in existence.
On an FPGA try running these games or AfA One (complete with windows skins and Dual-PNG icons) with Amiga
I think that is UAE, more than whdload, and the diference is that nanomig has that in hardware (fpga, those demostrating aros compatibility in suport “original” hardware)
I have the impression that those vídeos doesnt refletc AROS compatibilities in any aspect that you was talking about (or i didnt understood nothing 🙃)
Regarding WHDLoad games, we are talking about something different here, apart from being able to install and play 'NODOS games', and compatible with any Amiga and AROS OS, this is because circumvents the operating system in the Amiga for greater compatibility and preserves the original program environment.
WHDload games run well on AROS 68k, but work even better on AROS x86, see video (2 different ways to run WHDLoad games)
i was not aware of nothing of that.
But i followed AROS development and the 68K port and, IMHO, running under something like pocket storm makes a lot of sense, as much as been the default hardware target. And that is a curiosity above the compatibilities issues that i must learn more to have opinions, even that i dont have nothing against the mixins variations i do think that 68k should be the natural habitat of AROS. (And benchmark it performance is not compatibilities issues)
My 0,20 cents.
PS: when i say 68k mostly im talking about whdload level of compatibility (not uae), as maybe an arm (or risc-v) port could also do the job.
PS2: again, IMO, if AROS could run under Emu68 would be a great milestone, beside of compatibilities
Edited by CoolCat5000 on 19-01-2025 05:00, 3 months ago
@AMIGASYSTEM - The problem is that some OS31 software is commercial in nature, and some has become so, so its use could be challenged.
This happened to me with my AfA One distribution where I had to cease distribution because the Picasso and AK Datatypes libraries became commercial, and I could no longer use or update,
You're correct that this impacts distribution mainters like you. People who purchased this software can however use it under under any system they like.
@AMIGASYSTEM
also with the emergence of OS 3.2 and the end of OS 3.1/3.5/3.9 software development.
Now and in the future new Amiga software will only be usable OS 3.2 (commercial system)
The good thing is that the decision which system version to support is in the hands on software developers not operating system manufacturer. Developers can continue to compile using "older" SDK and thus still support 3.1 "compatibility level" which means their software will work on widest system base (68k, AmigaOS4 and MorphOS).
Edited by deadwood on 19-01-2025 04:30, 3 months ago
The problem is that some OS31 software is commercial in nature, and some has become so, so its use could be challenged.
This happened to me with my AfA One distribution where I had to cease distribution because the Picasso and AK Datatypes libraries became commercial, and I could no longer use or update, also with the emergence of OS 3.2 and the end of OS 3.1/3.5/3.9 software development.
Now and in the future new Amiga software will only be usable OS 3.2 (commercial system)
@AMIGASYSTEM - Unfortunately there is still 3.1 software that doesn't work and others that work badly, and to increase compatibility, libraries and system files are required that don't exist on Aros.
I'm sure 3.5, 3.9 and 3.2 also introduced subtle incompotibilites with 3.1. AROS has more of incompatibilites and I ackowledge that. The plan has always been to steadilly decrease those incompatibilties and that's happening although slower than I'd wish for.
With regards to fusion in my opinion this is a valid strategy. Have you ever considered that it can be the same as with WINE and Windows games under Linux? If it was not for WINE I never would have been able to play high quality AAA games under Linux. Do all games work under WINE? No, but those that work enrich my Linux experience. Using existing 68k "aminet" components in same way enriches AROS experience.
Edited by deadwood on 19-01-2025 04:08, 3 months ago
Unfortunately there is still 3.1 software that doesn't work and others that work badly, and to increase compatibility, libraries and system files are required that don't exist on Aros.
This is one of the reasons why I have suspended development of the Aros One 68k, unfortunately without the fusion of native OS 3.1 software there are many restrictions.
@AMIGASYSTEM -
You can't expect AROS to run Amiga software, it's like telling Windows 11 to run Windows 98 software, and then saying that Windows 11 needs to go miles.
I don't understand this statement. Actually I fully expect AROS 68k to run at least 3.1 software. The fact that AROS is much more advanced than 3.1 doesn't mean it can't run 3.1 software.
No, Aros doesn't have to do any miles, if you want to use Amiga software you have to have an Amiga, if you have to use Aros you have to do it with the native Aros 68k software.
You can't expect AROS to run Amiga software, it's like telling Windows 11 to run Windows 98 software, and then saying that Windows 11 needs to go miles.
First of all, you should know that 'native' AROS 68k is 'partially' compatible with Amiga OS31 software, and is not compatible with OS3.5, OS39 and os 3.2 software ....
Quite the opposite, no Amiga system is compatible with AROS 68k software, this is because AROS binaries are "ELF", while the Amiga uses "Hunk".
If you want I can send you a basic version of AROS One 68k,but be careful to boot it you will need 2 ROMs (Kickstart) you can also merge them and get a single 1MB Rom
Having said that caffeine can boot via AROS ROMs, but cannot run any native AROS 68k software
Hi, is there link for this distro image and for a slim aros 68k distro? I think it wouldnt harm to ask a try (even if i think it would be a little early in the priorities, it is a curiosity)
Probably the horse power is the same of a pistormed amiga, changing from a raspberry model to other.
Ps: i had the impression that caffeine was AROS based
Edited by CoolCat5000 on 18-01-2025 03:47, 3 months ago
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