i really like to think nanomig as an AMIGA hat for raspberry, but unfortunelly i think i am the only who see this as milestone. its nobody roadmap atm.
as a sidenote the nanomig IDE is on the fpga, as i know there was some AROS ATA issues in minimig, maybe nanomig doesnt have the same issue.
well, i was thinking of nanomig+pistorm as the cheaper combo (instead of vampire and minimig+pistorm), the lowest end version to run aros68k, but that also could open doors for high end arm computers (dunno if the gpio connection could be replaced for a usb or something like that).
and as Emu68 is a JIT compiler, the more high end the arm specs the more it should delivery, afaik. (but that i would consider a second cycle. i think have the nanomig combo as completing the previous cycle cause it would be a cheap option for have aros68k, or wahtever you preffer to call, caffeine, Coffin etc running, i dont follow the aros68 mixins/variants)
even without nanomig i dont know why raspberry+emu68 cant boot AROS, as, afaik, it doesnt rely on the custom chipsets. (but for sure have the compatibility hardware is a "must" for a better experience, even more for addons, like toccata, midi support and all the bells and whistles, missing only 3D/OpenGL support)
well, i just wanted to share my thoughts cause it maybe could make sense to others.
We can hopefully agree that we do not know for real because we both not tested it
Aros 68k based distributions (with optimizations from 3.X software base and using different desktops than wanderer) can run on V4 so there is a high chance that there could be something made for PiStorm too
@AMIGASYSTEM - In this way you continue to delude users by mixing OS3 libraries and system files, you think you are running AROS but you are actually running OS3.
As said try or have tried a Native 68k AROS on these new Shede and then we'll talk.
Mixing OS3 libraries and system files on AROS, besides breaking Copyrights, you won't have any advantage, OS3 software you can run even on a 30 years old Amiga and doesn't need Modern harware where compatibility drops considerably. !
you are again wrong
I do not break copyrights because I use reimplementations in case of f.e. icon library or add different components. I NEVER use something from original 3.1. The base system is Aros 68k, just not using the slowest desktop available. And using f.e. icon library from PeteK. You should not spread such rumors if you not know. Sorry, such claims anger me slightly.
Edited by OlafSch on 24-10-2024 10:36, 2 months ago
In this way you continue to delude users by mixing OS3 libraries and system files, you think you are running AROS but you are actually running OS3.
As said try or have tried a Native 68k AROS on these new Shede and then we'll talk.
Mixing OS3 libraries and system files on AROS, besides breaking Copyrights, you won't have any advantage, OS3 software you can run even on a 30 years old Amiga and doesn't need Modern harware where compatibility drops considerably. !
@AMIGASYSTEM - Apollo V4 does not run a native AROS 68k, but uses a mix of libraries and very light OS3 system files, a bit like your AROS Vision.
On Apollo V4 try running a Native Build AROS 68k with PNG Themes and Icons and you'll see that it becomes a turtle!
In fact there is no Video where Native AROS 68k works on Apollo V4 or PiStorm ! and I don't think you will ever see it, until there is a Hardwsre worthy to run AROS 68k
I do not understand why you are so fixated on "pure aros". Mixing of 68k binaries is a important advantage of aros on 68k. If I f.e. use different desktop or a new icon library it is not a disadvantage from view of people. The most important disadvantage of aros is that it is partly slow, but that is not relevant if f.e. running native on X86. On 68k it is more visible but you can solve it by using f.e. different libraries in some cases. And of course more efficient and more powerful desktops like scalos or magellan..
Apollo V4 does not run a native AROS 68k, but uses a mix of libraries and very light OS3 system files, a bit like your AROS Vision.
On Apollo V4 try running a Native Build AROS 68k with PNG Themes and Icons and you'll see that it becomes a turtle!
In fact there is no Video where Native AROS 68k works on Apollo V4 or PiStorm ! and I don't think you will ever see it, until there is a Hardwsre worthy to run AROS 68k
but, Minimig is not powefull enough for AROS, than appear PiStorm, and now i think the cycle can be closed... we could have AROS (a free amiga OS) running in a new hardware, and that is my point.
Emu68 is too slow to run AROS 68k configured as AROS deserves, you need hardware that gives at least the power of WinUAE.
I doubt that. Apollo V4 is fast enough to run Aros 68k and I do not think that PiStorm would be slower, at least when running in RTG. But we will see. I could not test it myself anyway because I do not own PiStorm-Hardware
Edited by OlafSch on 24-10-2024 08:04, 2 months ago
but, Minimig is not powefull enough for AROS, than appear PiStorm, and now i think the cycle can be closed... we could have AROS (a free amiga OS) running in a new hardware, and that is my point.
Emu68 is too slow to run AROS 68k configured as AROS deserves, you need hardware that gives at least the power of WinUAE.
well, i dont aim the puristic users, i saw it initiative as a step further and each project helped the other.
first, was great to be able to emulate AMIGA (UAE), than it was great to have a free AMIGA OS (AROS), than was great to have a new amiga hardware (Minimig)... and have AROS running under Minimig would end a cycle, we would have a new start for AMIGA.
but, Minimig is not powefull enough for AROS, than appear PiStorm, and now i think the cycle can be closed... we could have AROS (a free amiga OS) running in a new hardware, and that is my point.
End a cycle of a free os with a new hardware would give enough comptibility and space for new evolutions, but before new evolutions a cycle must end, and it would be imho AROS running in a "modern AMIGA" "free" hardware.
have a combo like nanomig as raspberry amiga hat would be the hardware for AROS to achieve it initial goal of keep AMIGA alive (with a 68k binary compatible approach), and after we can end this cycle, imho, it could be a new cycle for new specs, not limited as raspberry.
So, im not looking in the past, but to the future, and have such initiative would be, imho, this point, where we reached a closing cycle of past (a new approach to "old" AMIGA) and open the road for the new AMIGA (on most capable ARM hardware).
have AROS running under emu68 is the milestone that would make the attempt of AROS 68k be realised.
im not sure if my ideas are clear enought, but thats how i see the scenario.
thats why i am entusiastic about the nanomig+pistorm+aros combo, it would end the cycle of have a new AMIGA 68k compatible solution, ending the cycle of this objective, and open doors for who wants more powerfull approachs as the high end ARM platafforms.
imo, we have a gap, and this nanomig+pistorm+aros approach would close it. (but maybe im not with a clear vision about the subject)
@AMIGASYSTEM - AROS was the 'first child' of Amiga was born in 1995, at that time Amiga emulation did not exist, UAE (Unusable Amiga Emulator) was also born in 1995 and was a very limited emulator.
As said, it was snubbed by Amiga users because it ran on the hated PC.
AROS was the 'first child' of Amiga was born in 1995, at that time Amiga emulation did not exist, UAE (Unusable Amiga Emulator) was also born in 1995 and was a very limited emulator.
As said, it was snubbed by Amiga users because it ran on the hated PC.
@AMIGASYSTEM - AROS can never become Amiga, because for Amigans if an OS is not called Amiga it is not considered, moreover for Amigans AROS is synonymous with PC so in a way it is hated.
This is one of the reasons why AROS did not inherit the Amiga users when Commodore went bankrupt.
AROS was at that time not very useable and I also think there was no UAE available at that time. And additional, at first there was still hope that it is not the end. People who changed to PC used MS-DOS and later Windows. A half-developed amiga-like OS was not that interesting for many.
AROS can never become Amiga, because for Amigans if an OS is not called Amiga it is not considered, moreover for Amigans AROS is synonymous with PC so in a way it is hated.
This is one of the reasons why AROS did not inherit the Amiga users when Commodore went bankrupt.
yes, i noticed it, that is why i posted.
it will need a pistorm!
(and also more capable variants maybe could have more nice verilog code for toccata sound, munt midi or something like that)
from the begining my idea was a pistormed nanomig, but i didnt saw any movement in that direction.
for me it would be an end of cycle (that started when aros begins) and open doors for a real new amiga, as nowdays ARM pcs is a reality.
running aros under emu68 is my last desire, and for me make sense as a natural evolution, but i am not an specialist, i just feel like it makes sense.
and again, i posted now cause i wonder how many agrees with this view and if there is something we could do to help accomplish it.
that is very limited for aros 68k. Also 68020 is limited too. One guy I had contact years ago booted aros on his A4000. It booted but was hardly useable, more a proof of concept
Hi all, again,
My interest in this project is to be able to run AROS.
2 things may help in this direction
1) a more capable variant: 25k or 60k
and/or
2) a pistorm approach
none of this paths seems to be in the roadmap, so if others agree with this view maybe we could have a more explicit support show about it? some thoughts that could enrich the roadmap toward this goal, maybe?
"A useful AGA setup requires a fast 68020. The 68020 does indeed work on the NanoMig. For additional speed the turbo ram of minimig needs to be (re)-activated. Kick1.3 fails to run with a faster cpu and this routine fails:"
'It seems this routine waits for certain vpos values to be reached. Need to understand if this difference is a problem and/or how the code execution continues ... a commented Kickstart disassembly would be great ..."
so, again spreading the news as maybe someone can help!
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