but, Minimig is not powefull enough for AROS, than appear PiStorm, and now i think the cycle can be closed... we could have AROS (a free amiga OS) running in a new hardware, and that is my point.
Emu68 is too slow to run AROS 68k configured as AROS deserves, you need hardware that gives at least the power of WinUAE.
but, Minimig is not powefull enough for AROS, than appear PiStorm, and now i think the cycle can be closed... we could have AROS (a free amiga OS) running in a new hardware, and that is my point.
Emu68 is too slow to run AROS 68k configured as AROS deserves, you need hardware that gives at least the power of WinUAE.
I doubt that. Apollo V4 is fast enough to run Aros 68k and I do not think that PiStorm would be slower, at least when running in RTG. But we will see. I could not test it myself anyway because I do not own PiStorm-Hardware
Edited by OlafSch on 24-10-2024 09:04, 6 months ago
Apollo V4 does not run a native AROS 68k, but uses a mix of libraries and very light OS3 system files, a bit like your AROS Vision.
On Apollo V4 try running a Native Build AROS 68k with PNG Themes and Icons and you'll see that it becomes a turtle!
In fact there is no Video where Native AROS 68k works on Apollo V4 or PiStorm ! and I don't think you will ever see it, until there is a Hardwsre worthy to run AROS 68k
@AMIGASYSTEM - Apollo V4 does not run a native AROS 68k, but uses a mix of libraries and very light OS3 system files, a bit like your AROS Vision.
On Apollo V4 try running a Native Build AROS 68k with PNG Themes and Icons and you'll see that it becomes a turtle!
In fact there is no Video where Native AROS 68k works on Apollo V4 or PiStorm ! and I don't think you will ever see it, until there is a Hardwsre worthy to run AROS 68k
I do not understand why you are so fixated on "pure aros". Mixing of 68k binaries is a important advantage of aros on 68k. If I f.e. use different desktop or a new icon library it is not a disadvantage from view of people. The most important disadvantage of aros is that it is partly slow, but that is not relevant if f.e. running native on X86. On 68k it is more visible but you can solve it by using f.e. different libraries in some cases. And of course more efficient and more powerful desktops like scalos or magellan..
In this way you continue to delude users by mixing OS3 libraries and system files, you think you are running AROS but you are actually running OS3.
As said try or have tried a Native 68k AROS on these new Shede and then we'll talk.
Mixing OS3 libraries and system files on AROS, besides breaking Copyrights, you won't have any advantage, OS3 software you can run even on a 30 years old Amiga and doesn't need Modern harware where compatibility drops considerably. !
@AMIGASYSTEM - In this way you continue to delude users by mixing OS3 libraries and system files, you think you are running AROS but you are actually running OS3.
As said try or have tried a Native 68k AROS on these new Shede and then we'll talk.
Mixing OS3 libraries and system files on AROS, besides breaking Copyrights, you won't have any advantage, OS3 software you can run even on a 30 years old Amiga and doesn't need Modern harware where compatibility drops considerably. !
you are again wrong
I do not break copyrights because I use reimplementations in case of f.e. icon library or add different components. I NEVER use something from original 3.1. The base system is Aros 68k, just not using the slowest desktop available. And using f.e. icon library from PeteK. You should not spread such rumors if you not know. Sorry, such claims anger me slightly.
Edited by OlafSch on 24-10-2024 11:36, 6 months ago
We can hopefully agree that we do not know for real because we both not tested it
Aros 68k based distributions (with optimizations from 3.X software base and using different desktops than wanderer) can run on V4 so there is a high chance that there could be something made for PiStorm too
i really like to think nanomig as an AMIGA hat for raspberry, but unfortunelly i think i am the only who see this as milestone. its nobody roadmap atm.
as a sidenote the nanomig IDE is on the fpga, as i know there was some AROS ATA issues in minimig, maybe nanomig doesnt have the same issue.
well, i was thinking of nanomig+pistorm as the cheaper combo (instead of vampire and minimig+pistorm), the lowest end version to run aros68k, but that also could open doors for high end arm computers (dunno if the gpio connection could be replaced for a usb or something like that).
and as Emu68 is a JIT compiler, the more high end the arm specs the more it should delivery, afaik. (but that i would consider a second cycle. i think have the nanomig combo as completing the previous cycle cause it would be a cheap option for have aros68k, or wahtever you preffer to call, caffeine, Coffin etc running, i dont follow the aros68 mixins/variants)
even without nanomig i dont know why raspberry+emu68 cant boot AROS, as, afaik, it doesnt rely on the custom chipsets. (but for sure have the compatibility hardware is a "must" for a better experience, even more for addons, like toccata, midi support and all the bells and whistles, missing only 3D/OpenGL support)
well, i just wanted to share my thoughts cause it maybe could make sense to others.
A little side project. I took Till Harbaum's nanomig, stripped it down a bit and added a PiStorm interface. Prototype is running on a SipeedIO Tang Nano 20k, currently designing a better PCB for it. Nice cheap, insane fast hybrid emulation (FPGA + Emu68 JIT on Pi4/3) Amiga
I dont want to get into flames, but for me this initiative will bring us the most real "new amiga", dunno how it will evolve, but i like the direction and the vibe!
Well, apparently it allready run caffeineOS ...
i dont know exactly what is AROS 68k or another binary, but as for my benchmark it allready reached the expected level.
we are at the begin of 2025, i would expect by the end of the year we have a very clear vision of how this evolved.
we have a heavy team around: Till, Claude and Michal i would bet for an awesome result with no doubt!
Hi, is there link for this distro image and for a slim aros 68k distro? I think it wouldnt harm to ask a try (even if i think it would be a little early in the priorities, it is a curiosity)
Probably the horse power is the same of a pistormed amiga, changing from a raspberry model to other.
Ps: i had the impression that caffeine was AROS based
Edited by CoolCat5000 on 18-01-2025 03:47, 3 months ago
First of all, you should know that 'native' AROS 68k is 'partially' compatible with Amiga OS31 software, and is not compatible with OS3.5, OS39 and os 3.2 software ....
Quite the opposite, no Amiga system is compatible with AROS 68k software, this is because AROS binaries are "ELF", while the Amiga uses "Hunk".
If you want I can send you a basic version of AROS One 68k,but be careful to boot it you will need 2 ROMs (Kickstart) you can also merge them and get a single 1MB Rom
Having said that caffeine can boot via AROS ROMs, but cannot run any native AROS 68k software
No, i didnt knew that!
Seems that aros still have some miles to do!?!?
I dont have the knowledge to elaborate 😒
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