Introducing myself - trying this as a daily driver: AROS FORUMS

Introducing myself - trying this as a daily driver

Last updated on 10 months ago

ntromansMember

Posted 10 months ago

For the basis for a possible new browser, I don't know if this could be of any interest: https://hackaday.com/2024/07/02/fork-ladybird-browser-and-serenityos-to-go-separate-ways/#more-693495

Cheers,
Nigel.

Edited by ntromans on 03-07-2024 18:14, 10 months ago

Amiwell79Distro Maintainer

Posted 10 months ago

#19

about odyssey I found alternatives on the web of course I can't watch a football match or some films or dramas in general on television but this is not a problem for me

Amiwell79Distro Maintainer

Posted 10 months ago

#18

i commissioned several amiga software written with hollywood from jvp

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Templario

TemplarioJunior Member

Posted 10 months ago

#17

Studenteer wrote:

@Studenteer - An idea of getting away of Browsers:
ArosPDF could getting updated in options and style. Also some bugfixes like the corrupted header when moving window could seriously making AROS more usable as daily driver.

I have to say, that my knowledge of AROS is too small to join development but it's an idea how to improve usability in a way out of websurfing.

Also there are also other ways to collaborate, contributing ideas, creating games, programs, making icons, backgrounds, etc. on AROS or the other Amiga systems.
In Amiga there are many possibilities.

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TemplarioJunior Member

Posted 10 months ago

#16

ntromans wrote:

@ntromans -
Templario wrote:
@Templario - [quote name=ntromans post=5653]@ntromans - [quote name=Templario post=5649]
In my case I'm sorry but I not use AROS, now only I am using the AROS One to test my programs in your system, and the bount well, I put money in the Timberwolf for AmigaOS4 and others (when I was user of this system) and well I ended up disappointed with this system, and it's ugly to say it, but be careful with the bounties and the people... that I have been able to see ugly things on AmigaOS4 and also on MorphOS.

I think gven the quality of the software this will be based on and the individuals involved I think this is as solid a proposition as could be asked for, but the size of the required bounty could be the issue.

OK, here's probably a daft suggestion, and one that rather depends on an unknown (at lest to me), which is does AROS 68k run on PiStorm? If so, coud a version of the proposed browser be compiled for AROS 68k? If all of the above was possible, the bounty would have an additional audience in PiStorm users.

Cheers,
Nigel.

Wayfarer needs a complex library (I'm sorry because I don't remember its name) and this is the reason because the browser can't be port for AmigaOS4, but perhaps a good solution I think, will be update the OWB among the fans of the three systems, AROS, MorphOS and AmigaOS4, although OWB can't open Paypal, etc., yes the browser be able to open normal pages without problems, in MorphOS still is the better solution to surf the internet, because it is light and fast, a common bounty is a good solution, other thing is putting the fans of three systems in agreement, when there have been private interests so that there would be that painful rivalry that we have and have had.

ntromansMember

Posted 10 months ago

#15

Templario wrote:

@Templario - [quote name=ntromans post=5653]@ntromans - [quote name=Templario post=5649]
In my case I'm sorry but I not use AROS, now only I am using the AROS One to test my programs in your system, and the bount well, I put money in the Timberwolf for AmigaOS4 and others (when I was user of this system) and well I ended up disappointed with this system, and it's ugly to say it, but be careful with the bounties and the people... that I have been able to see ugly things on AmigaOS4 and also on MorphOS.

I think gven the quality of the software this will be based on and the individuals involved I think this is as solid a proposition as could be asked for, but the size of the required bounty could be the issue.

OK, here's probably a daft suggestion, and one that rather depends on an unknown (at lest to me), which is does AROS 68k run on PiStorm? If so, coud a version of the proposed browser be compiled for AROS 68k? If all of the above was possible, the bounty would have an additional audience in PiStorm users.

Cheers,
Nigel.

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Amiwell79Distro Maintainer

Posted 10 months ago

#14

i am willing to make donations for the porting of wayfarer on aros even if i have found alternative solutions with odyssey i am always in the front line for aros

Amiwell79Distro Maintainer

Posted 10 months ago

#13

on aros there have been many successful bounties including owb and odyssey the sources are available

TemplarioJunior Member

Posted 10 months ago

#12

ntromans wrote:

@ntromans -
Templario wrote:
@Templario - Are there enough AROS users to cover a bounty? because in the other systems the bouties being a failure, although anything is possible and a fan comes and puts in thousands of euros.

That is the question. I thiink once the details are settled this would need to publicised on other Amiga sites to try to pick up as many interested parties as possible.

Cheers,
Nigel.

In my case I'm sorry but I not use AROS, now only I am using the AROS One to test my programs in your system, and the bount well, I put money in the Timberwolf for AmigaOS4 and others (when I was user of this system) and well I ended up disappointed with this system, and it's ugly to say it, but be careful with the bounties and the people... that I have been able to see ugly things on AmigaOS4 and also on MorphOS.

ArgoJunior Member

Posted 10 months ago

#11

The commercial ventures that use AROS could be asked to chip in some money

Amiwell79Distro Maintainer

Posted 10 months ago

#10

Surely, amiga-news.de will pop up the news as usual for all those concerning the amiga world.

ntromansMember

Posted 10 months ago

Templario wrote:

@Templario - Are there enough AROS users to cover a bounty? because in the other systems the bouties being a failure, although anything is possible and a fan comes and puts in thousands of euros.

That is the question. I thiink once the details are settled this would need to publicised on other Amiga sites to try to pick up as many interested parties as possible.

Cheers,
Nigel.

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TemplarioJunior Member

Posted 10 months ago

Are there enough AROS users to cover a bounty? because in the other systems the bouties being a failure, although anything is possible and a fan comes and puts in thousands of euros.

Amiwell79Distro Maintainer

Posted 10 months ago

Great

Thank you

pikewerferJunior Member

Posted 10 months ago

Jacadcaps has replied and is willing to talk to us and do a discovery story to check whether this is possible. A bounty, it seems, will be necessary.

I will now start the conversation between Jacadcaps, Deadwood, and myself. I will keep everyone posted as soon as there is anything to report.

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miker1264

Amiwell79Distro Maintainer

Posted 10 months ago

Pikewerfer

Thank you for the thoughtful initiative, hopefully it goes well

miker1264Software Dev

Posted 10 months ago

Would we be considering a 64 bit version for AROS x86-64 as well as a 32 bit version for AROS x86? Or just a 32 bit version of the browser?

pikewerferJunior Member

Posted 10 months ago

@ASiegel thanks for your input. I respectfully disagree: planning something together in a sprint makes things more focused, and having a scrum master who takes care of coordination ensures things stay on track. It gives Devs more freedom.

Having a board and a sprint is ALWAYS beneficial when getting together to plan something. It does not matter whether it is private or professional. I renovated my whole house using Kanban. I assure you we were way ahead of schedule and had saved quite some money by coordinating well.

We might use daily standups. We might not. We might use Scrum. We might use Kanban. This is something that @deadwood and I and Jacadcaps (should he be willing to join) will agree on during the planning phase. It will be a model that all those INVOLVED have agreed on. If Jacadcaps and Deadwood decide that they can do this without any of my help, then I will be fine with that, too.

Respectfully, I believe what we need now is constructive help - not any non-constructive discussion. This community requires an updated browser, and both @deadwood and I are willing to invest time (and, in my case, also money) to get us there. I would appreciate help from all those who are eager to contribute in any way. I would also appreciate those who do not actively contribute to let us do it our way.

Thank You.

I have sent the email to Jacadcaps. Let's hope he is in. Otherwise, we will have to look for an alternative.

Edited by pikewerfer on 18-06-2024 07:32, 10 months ago

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ASiegelNewbie

Posted 10 months ago

pikewerfer wrote:

I will create a sprint board with the epic (port Wayfarer to Aros), so that we can then define stories in our meeting of things we need to do/get done.

Do you think either Jacek or Krzysztof would need someone else to write JIRA tickets so they stay aware of what needs to be done?

Not to sound snarky but I have to assume they probably didn't do daily stand ups in front of a mirror when they created Wayfarer for MorphOS or Odyssey v1.25 for AROS.

Making hobby projects more like day jobs by adding the usual administrative overhead (and annoyances) but without the same level of financial compensation is not necessarily a way to success.

If the plan was to hire talent outside this community, then more detailed planning would be required. However, the discussed "knowledge transfer" would depend on Krzysztof volunteering a significant amount of his free time to train developers with no intrinsic interest in AROS. This would be time that could be spent on improving AROS instead.

Plus, there would likely be all sorts of inefficiencies (language barriers, vastly different time zones) that complicate matters. This is in addition to the fact that not every developer out there is suited to work on a project like a web browser.

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mmartinka

pikewerferJunior Member

Posted 10 months ago

@deadwood - well, I know Jacek, the developer of Wayfarer. I can ask him whether he would be willing to collaborate with deadwood and myself to set up a roadmap to port Wayfarer to Aros and then keep updating it for Aros.

I agree, it would be easier and less work to port Wayfarer than to update OWB. However, Jacek is a pragmatist and his priority will always be MorphOS. We would not only need to push the effort to port but then also continue to support him to keep the port alive, otherwise he WILL drop the port again.

Here is what I will do. I will take the lead in this:

I will contact Jacadcaps (Jacek) and ask him if he would be willing.
If jacadcaps agrees, I will organize a video call with deadwood, jacadcaps, me (deadwood, let me know if I should include anyone else).
I will create a sprint board with the epic (port Wayfarer to Aros), so that we can then define stories in our meeting of things we need to do/get done.
Should we decide to include a third dev, I will ask for bounty, collect, recruit, and include that dev into the board, and assign stories to him.
I would also create any follow-up meetings that we decide are necessary.

@deadwood - I will send you a pm with my email address so we can better coordinate this.

Edited by pikewerfer on 18-06-2024 07:33, 10 months ago

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