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315 posts | Last Activity on 28-02-2024 04:17 by AMIGASYSTEM
AMIGASYSTEM
AMIGASYSTEM 28-02-2024 04:17, 29 days ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
@ericxjo I don't know if TinyAROS has been updated, but from the Grub you can access the BootMenu (Early Startup), this is the same AMIGA function. To activate Early Startup on the Grub, you have to press the Win+Arrow keys. You can see how Early Startup works from this attached video of mine, on AROS One is built into the Grub: https://youtu.be/rGWiR6EL-qw Regarding the black shero, it is probably due to the fact that the theme you chose is missing some File (image)
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magorium 27-02-2024 23:00, 30 days ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
[quote name=ericxjo post=4336] I know there's some kind of early boot menu feature that lets you select something to boot off of and am hoping that will help me out here. But -- I don't know how to trigger it. [/quote] If you are able to get to the grub bootmenu then press a key to interrupt booting, then use the default grub keys to edit the (selected) grub-menu-entry/item-line and add the option "bootmenu" (without the quotes) to the boot entry/item line and press ctrl-x to continue booting using the modified grub-menu-entry/item line. That should automatically start the early boot menu for you. see also: https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/Menu-entry-editor.html
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ericxjo 27-02-2024 19:47, 30 days ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
Not sure if this belongs in a new thread or not. So I've tried to run Tiny AROS on the same hardware, to check it out. I've installed it and changed the theme from the one it was set to to the only other option. Sorry, I don't remember the names of the themes. This caused it to boot to a black screen. I'm not really interested in looking into that aspect of it yet. The point is that I can't get it to boot to the CD-ROM again. It will begin to boot, but I think AROS itself, once it is started up off the CD-ROM, will then boot the rest of the way off the hard drive. I know there's some kind of early boot menu feature that lets you select something to boot off of and am hoping that will help me out here. But -- I don't know how to trigger it. I've Googled, checked the docs, and tried a bunch of usual suspects (holding down space and a few other keys as the computer booted) but am at a loss. How do I do this?
Amiwell79
Amiwell79 26-02-2024 08:21, 1 month ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
yes I understand maybe you have a new generation computer and cannot dual boot
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ericxjo 26-02-2024 01:11, 1 month ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
Well, I did some testing. Using QEMU on an Mac M1 (but this bug has hit me on every AROS distro I've used, including native, and on every host, bittiness (32/64) ABI version (0/1), and recency (older version, newer version, GitHub version) So to tease out whether this was caused by a specific demo, or just being under load or something else, I ran the same demo many times instead of many demos at the same time. I ran every demo on the top row of AROS:Extras/Demos, except Ezekiel since it is full screen. Seven different demos, including "Bad Apple" which really doesn't look like the other ones, all crashed AROS (froze hard, no mouse pointer movement) when run 6-9 times and the screen is rapidly dragged up and down for about 2 or 3 seconds) So that feels more like an OS issue than a specific demo issue. Definitely want this one to be fixed, since it if happens so easily under load, maybe it might occasionally happen with standard use.
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ericxjo 26-02-2024 00:47, 1 month ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
@Amiwell79: Yes, the main issue for me is space. It's a small desktop and I am fitting two computers on it and still want to occasionally write something on a paper (barbaric I know!) @AMIGASYSTEM: I hadn't thought of that. I will try to crash it but will keep track of which demos I opened. My suspicion was that it was just revealing a bug under high load. But now I'm thinking of it differently. One thing I can try is to run the same demo many times. I'll also try several combinations, and report back.
AMIGASYSTEM
AMIGASYSTEM 25-02-2024 15:38, 1 month ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
[quote name=ericxjo post=4292]@ericxjo - You (all) were right! I was running on 2.3, burned the wrong image. Okay, I'm on 2.4 now and screen dragging works. Still freezes under a significant load (run several demos, drag screen rapidly up and down, let go -- will likely freeze). But otherwise this is the best I've seen AROS run since I've started to play with it. Thanks[/quote] Thank you for testing AROS One 2.4, there are some Demos that don't work after you run other Demos, if you report me the Demo that created the Blockage for you, if it can't be fixed I will delete it from the Distribution, the freeze might be caused by a bug in the Demo.
Amiwell79
Amiwell79 22-02-2024 20:33, 1 month ago
Re: Recommended hardware
for new users, get help in making the best choice regarding hardware, even if you have to take but a couple of very inexpensive cards it's no big deal
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Amiwell79
Amiwell79 22-02-2024 20:29, 1 month ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
in my opinion it's not good hardware yes it's cheap but even a simple intel core 2 duo doesn't cost that much and in fact you can put in a graphics card at a very good price that supports 3D, aros doesn't need that many resources it's a light and performant system even on very old hardware like the one I mentioned
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ericxjo 21-02-2024 18:20, 1 month ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
You (all) were right! I was running on 2.3, burned the wrong image. Okay, I'm on 2.4 now and screen dragging works. Still freezes under a significant load (run several demos, drag screen rapidly up and down, let go -- will likely freeze). But otherwise this is the best I've seen AROS run since I've started to play with it. Thanks
AMIGASYSTEM
AMIGASYSTEM 21-02-2024 16:40, 1 month ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
I think you have not installed AROS One, unless you kept an old version, or you had mixed Distributions, on my site old versions were never available, only the latest version is always available. On AROS One if you go to AROS->About there is the logo of AROS One with the description of the version with date 2024 (see screenshot), so you have not installed AROS One, also on AROS One since always the screens can be dragged to any location. Question, can you provide the link where you downloaded AROS ? [img]https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/attachments/aros_one.jpg[/img]
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deadwood 21-02-2024 15:28, 1 month ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
Hmm, that's weird. I just tested AROS One 2.4 under VirtualBox with VESA driver and screen dragging works. Anyhow glad you solved the installation issue.
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ericxjo 21-02-2024 15:16, 1 month ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
Thanks for your help! I didn't think to look in the BIOS. When I did, I didn't see any setting where "drive" was an option. I did see an option to change the drive from "AHCI" to "IDE". Being the only setting that seemed relevant, and the only alternative option, I switched it. When I ran the installer again, it instantly detected IDE, and it installed and booted fine. I suppose this might limit the total drive size in the future, but as for this machine, it works fine. I did notice that it was using "aha.device" and not "ahci.device" before, as well, and I might experiment with that in the future. Currently I'm running AROS One, not sure of the version, but AROS->About says "Personal pc-i386 Build ABI_V0 Dec 5 2023" so that looks quite recent. It's minor, but I like Icaros's look a lot better and of course it has screen dragging (which does crash, but rarely... any way to test screen dragging in the newer kernels?) but it seems AROS One is more recent. Any way to "have it all"? (screen dragging and newer kernel?)
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deadwood 21-02-2024 02:48, 1 month ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
Hi ericxjo, Icaros has several years old kernel and that is possibly the issue. The recommended hardware was re-tested with last two AROS ABIv0 releases so your best bet is to use AROS One 2.4 or latest version of TinyAROS. Additionally as Studenteer mentioned, please make sure you are using ahci.device in InstallAROS and that you are using "Wipe" option to create partitions. (see screenshot) If this fails and you confirm that you have a working disk, please post a photo of the crash you are getting.
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Studenteer 20-02-2024 17:52, 1 month ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
The Fujitsu Futro S720 is using AHCI-driver as standard. Check if the installer is trying to installing over "ata.device" and change to "ahci.device" if not selected. Related to the bug with AHCI, it could be more useful if you changing drive-handling in BIOS to SATA in BIOS Settings, if you interested in extending capacity by replacing drive to larger one in the future. In the BIOS is an option, which part of the hardware is controlling the computer when running an OS. Check, if this is option is set to "drive". If that not changed anything, check if the mSata-drive (looks like an nvme) is correctly inside or damaged. For that, you have to lift up the back of the device, which is fixed at the back by some screws.
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ericxjo 20-02-2024 17:36, 1 month ago
Re: Trouble with installing on very well supported hardware
Quick question for those who know more about this: I bought a Fujitsu Futuro 270 basically because it was listed as a good option on the AROS hardware compatibility list. However, when I run it (I'm trying to use Icaros, but any AROS is fine) it won't install to the drive. It shows an icon (NTFS0:NDOS) which I think refers to the drive, but the installer will just crash regardless of the driver I use. Any suggestions? (the drive has been blanked with DBAN, which booted and saw it and was able to zero it out)
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ericxjo 20-02-2024 17:33, 1 month ago
Re: Recommended hardware
EDIT: Whoops, meant to post in a new thread. Sorry!
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Amiwell79
Amiwell79 20-02-2024 09:45, 1 month ago
Re: Recommended hardware
there is another thing to point out if gallium will not be updated it is pointless to think of the latest hardware possible i.e. without graphics acceleration in my opinion it is pointless at least for laptops
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Amiwell79
Amiwell79 19-02-2024 16:57, 1 month ago
Re: Recommended hardware
there is also achi support that will be fixed and then you will have sata support, i have taken my computers apart from laptops and netbooks always at random but i always refer to systems with features that have been outdated for years
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Amiwell79
Amiwell79 19-02-2024 16:37, 1 month ago
Re: Recommended hardware
in my experience, as far as fixed computers are concerned, many are compatible, but we're talking about computers from about ten years ago, but they're still very good, and not only for aros. then you can upgrade with a compatible video card, network card and maybe an SSD. roughly speaking, starting with the intel core 2 duo you can have a good workstation. i don't know which generation of i7 is compatible, maybe the third or fourth or even the fifth
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