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1148 posts | Last Activity on 18-06-2024 16:12 by Amiwell79
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Amiwell79 18-06-2024 16:12, 1 month ago
Re: Intel GMA 3150
Serk I have a Samsung NC10 that I don't use, I can give it to you if you want It has an upgraded long-lasting battery
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Amiwell79 18-06-2024 16:09, 1 month ago
Re: Tiny Aros DistrĂ²
[quote name=Amiwell79 post=5309]@Amiwell79 - The installation of Tiny Aros is not complicated In the archive you download, there is the latest build of Deadwood You can burn it if you want to install everything on a native system, or use the ISO on a VM Then just install the Tiny core and updates[/quote] I loaded the file here to proceed with the old installation, which is not difficult; you just need a burner
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deadwood 18-06-2024 11:29, 1 month ago
Re: Intel GMA 3150
As far as I remember mschulz commenting on this in the past, the 3100 is a completly different hardware what what we support right now and it requires a new 2D driver. Once such driver is implemented, the 3d part can be taken from Mesa (like our current GMA driver is doing). Note: I'm personally not planning on working on Intel graphical chipsets support.
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serk118uk
serk118uk 18-06-2024 06:17, 1 month ago
Re: Intel GMA 3150
Hi ppl, I bought 64bit acer aspire one D255 for aros 64bit distro , 3d acceleration not supported on aros , is it possible to add gma from https://github.com/acceleraptor/AsusIntelGMA3150FB [url]https://github.com/acceleraptor/AsusIntelGMA3150FB[/url] ? some info (sorry, paste here, i could not found attachment option) ----- Table signature: FACP, Revision 4, Address 0x3f5fd000 OEM ID: ACRSYS OEM Table ID: ACRPRDCT Revision 0x00000001 Creator ID: 1025 Revision 0x01000013 Preferred system profile: Mobile SCI interrupt: 9 SMI command register: 0x000000B2 ACPI Enable command: 0xA0 ACPI Disable command: 0xA1 Enter S4BIOS state command: 0x00 Processor performance state command: 0x80 RTC alarm day offset: 0x0D PC Architecture flags: Have legacy devices: Yes Have 8042 keyboard controller: Yes VGA not present: No MSI not supported: No PCIe ASPM controls: No Fixed Feature flags: CPU has WBINVD instruction: Yes WBINVD flushes all caches: No C1 power state supported: Yes C2 power state for multiple CPUs: No No fixed power button: No No fixed sleep button: Yes RTC wake status in fixed registers: No RTC wakeup from S4 supported: Yes TMR_VAL is 32-bit: No Docking supported: No Reset register supported: Yes Sealed case: No CPU instruction execution needed for sleep: No PCI Express wakeup supported: No Use platform clock: No RTC_STS valid after S4: Yes Remote power on supported: No Force APIC cluster model: No Force APIC physical destination: No Reset register address: byte at 0xB2, bits 0 - 7 in I/O ports Reset value: 0xFB ---- Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Bridge Host-PCI Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx DMI Bridge Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] : 0x0349 VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0xa010 RevisionID: 0x02 Class: 0x06 Subclass: 0x00 Interface: 0x00 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: N/A Status: IO: no, MEM: yes, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: RangeList_1: RangeList_2: RangeList_3: RangeList_4: RangeList_5: Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Video PC Compatible VGA Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] : 0x0349 VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0xa011 RevisionID: 0x02 Class: 0x03 Subclass: 0x00 Interface: 0x00 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: 16 (A) Status: IO: yes, MEM: yes, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: Bar0: Memory at 0x58180000 (size 0x80000) RangeList_1: Bar1: I/O at 0x60c0 (size 0x8) RangeList_2: Bar2: Prefetchable Memory at 0x40000000 (size 0x10000000) RangeList_3: Bar3: Memory at 0x58000000 (size 0x100000) RangeList_4: RangeList_5: Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Video Other Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] : 0x0349 VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0xa012 RevisionID: 0x02 Class: 0x03 Subclass: 0x80 Interface: 0x00 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: N/A Status: IO: yes, MEM: yes, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: Bar0: Memory at 0x58100000 (size 0x80000) RangeList_1: RangeList_2: RangeList_3: RangeList_4: RangeList_5: Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Multimedia Audio Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] : 0x0349 VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0x27d8 RevisionID: 0x02 Class: 0x04 Subclass: 0x03 Interface: 0x00 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: 19 (A) Status: IO: no, MEM: yes, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: Bar0: Memory at 0x58200000 (size 0x4000) RangeList_1: RangeList_2: RangeList_3: RangeList_4: RangeList_5: Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Bridge PCI-PCI Standard Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 1 Subsystem: VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0x27d0 RevisionID: 0x02 Class: 0x06 Subclass: 0x04 Interface: 0x00 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: 16 (A) Status: IO: yes, MEM: yes, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: RangeList_1: RangeList_2: Bridge handles bus 1 (ISA notenabled, VGA notenabled) RangeList_3: Memory ranges from 57000000 to 57f00000 RangeList_4: Prefetchable ranges memory from 50010000 to 50f10000 RangeList_5: IO ranges from 5000 to 5000 Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Bridge PCI-PCI Standard Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 2 Subsystem: VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0x27d2 RevisionID: 0x02 Class: 0x06 Subclass: 0x04 Interface: 0x00 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: 17 (B) Status: IO: yes, MEM: yes, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: RangeList_1: RangeList_2: Bridge handles bus 2 (ISA notenabled, VGA notenabled) RangeList_3: Memory ranges from 56000000 to 56f00000 RangeList_4: Prefetchable ranges memory from 51010000 to 51f10000 RangeList_5: IO ranges from 4000 to 4000 Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Serial USB UHCI Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] : 0x0349 VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0x27c8 RevisionID: 0x02 Class: 0x0c Subclass: 0x03 Interface: 0x00 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: 18 (A) Status: IO: yes, MEM: no, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: RangeList_1: RangeList_2: RangeList_3: RangeList_4: Bar4: I/O at 0x6080 (size 0x20) RangeList_5: Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Serial USB UHCI Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] : 0x0349 VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0x27c9 RevisionID: 0x02 Class: 0x0c Subclass: 0x03 Interface: 0x00 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: 20 (B) Status: IO: yes, MEM: no, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: RangeList_1: RangeList_2: RangeList_3: RangeList_4: Bar4: I/O at 0x6060 (size 0x20) RangeList_5: Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Serial USB UHCI Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3 Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] : 0x0349 VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0x27ca RevisionID: 0x02 Class: 0x0c Subclass: 0x03 Interface: 0x00 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: 21 (C) Status: IO: yes, MEM: no, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: RangeList_1: RangeList_2: RangeList_3: RangeList_4: Bar4: I/O at 0x6040 (size 0x20) RangeList_5: Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Serial USB UHCI Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4 Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] : 0x0349 VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0x27cb RevisionID: 0x02 Class: 0x0c Subclass: 0x03 Interface: 0x00 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: 22 (D) Status: IO: yes, MEM: no, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: RangeList_1: RangeList_2: RangeList_3: RangeList_4: Bar4: I/O at 0x6020 (size 0x20) RangeList_5: Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Serial USB EHCI Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: NM10/ICH7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] : 0x0349 VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0x27cc RevisionID: 0x02 Class: 0x0c Subclass: 0x03 Interface: 0x20 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: 22 (D) Status: IO: no, MEM: yes, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: Bar0: Memory at 0x58204400 (size 0x400) RangeList_1: RangeList_2: RangeList_3: RangeList_4: RangeList_5: Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Bridge PCI-PCI Subtractive Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge Subsystem: VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0x2448 RevisionID: 0xe2 Class: 0x06 Subclass: 0x04 Interface: 0x01 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: N/A Status: IO: yes, MEM: yes, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: RangeList_1: RangeList_2: Bridge handles bus 5 (ISA notenabled, VGA notenabled) RangeList_3: Memory ranges from fff00000 to 00000000 RangeList_4: Prefetchable ranges memory from fff10000 to 00010000 RangeList_5: IO ranges from f000 to 0000 Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Bridge PCI-ISA Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: NM10 Family LPC Controller Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] : 0x0349 VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0x27bc RevisionID: 0x02 Class: 0x06 Subclass: 0x01 Interface: 0x00 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: N/A Status: IO: yes, MEM: yes, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: RangeList_1: RangeList_2: RangeList_3: RangeList_4: RangeList_5: Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Mass storage IDE Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: NM10/ICH7 Family SATA Controller [IDE mode] Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] : 0x0349 VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0x27c0 RevisionID: 0x02 Class: 0x01 Subclass: 0x01 Interface: 0x8f ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: 17 (B) Status: IO: yes, MEM: yes, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: yes RangeList_0: Bar0: I/O at 0x60b8 (size 0x8) RangeList_1: Bar1: I/O at 0x60cc (size 0x4) RangeList_2: Bar2: I/O at 0x60b0 (size 0x8) RangeList_3: Bar3: I/O at 0x60c8 (size 0x4) RangeList_4: Bar4: I/O at 0x60a0 (size 0x10) RangeList_5: Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Serial SMBus Vendor name: Intel Corporation Product name: NM10/ICH7 Family SMBus Controller Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] : 0x0349 VendorID: 0x8086 ProductID: 0x27da RevisionID: 0x02 Class: 0x0c Subclass: 0x05 Interface: 0x00 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: 17 (B) Status: IO: yes, MEM: no, Master: no, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: RangeList_1: RangeList_2: RangeList_3: RangeList_4: Bar4: I/O at 0x6000 (size 0x20) RangeList_5: Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Network Ethernet Vendor name: Qualcomm Atheros Product name: AR8152 v1.1 Fast Ethernet Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] : 0x0349 VendorID: 0x1969 ProductID: 0x2060 RevisionID: 0xc1 Class: 0x02 Subclass: 0x00 Interface: 0x00 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: 16 (A) Status: IO: yes, MEM: yes, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: Bar0: Memory at 0x57000000 (size 0x40000) RangeList_1: RangeList_2: Bar2: I/O at 0x5000 (size 0x80) RangeList_3: RangeList_4: RangeList_5: Driver Name: pcipc.hidd Direct bus: yes Hardware info: IA32-native PCI Express Controller Description: Network Other Vendor name: Qualcomm Atheros Product name: AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) Subsystem: Foxconn International, Inc. : 0xe016 VendorID: 0x168c ProductID: 0x002b RevisionID: 0x01 Class: 0x02 Subclass: 0x80 Interface: 0x00 ROM Base: N/A ROM Size: N/A IRQ: 17 (A) Status: IO: yes, MEM: yes, Master: yes, PaletteSnoop: no, 66MHz capable: no RangeList_0: Bar0: Memory at 0x56000000 (size 0x10000) RangeList_1: RangeList_2: RangeList_3: RangeList_4: RangeList_5:
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AMIGASYSTEM
AMIGASYSTEM 17-06-2024 18:44, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
@miker1264 No OlafSch there is nothing about AROS, as mentioned above, CaffeineOS is OS 3.9 based, so it can only boot with Kickstart 3.1, then through the Statup-sequence the Kickstart will update with "Amiga ROM Update BB2". Installing AfA OS on CaffeineOS will be a challenge, there are too many incompatibilities starting with VisualPrefs that you will have to remove, read the AfA OS instructions to find out which software conflicts. Remember, if after you install AfA OS you encounter problems (black screen), you can boot the system by holding down the mouse buttons, left button disable AFA OS, right button disable AfA OS and RTG.
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OlafSch 17-06-2024 17:45, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
@miker as far as I know it is a backport of parts of aros to add features like themeing. Not using the roms. But as you mentioned the roms... I am also testing on amigaos 3.1 and funnily the aros roms work in whdload even on 3.1.
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miker1264 17-06-2024 16:58, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
AMIGASYSTEM I do plan to follow the guide on the PiStorm GitHub page to setup AfA OS for my A1200. It's going to be an adventure! I wonder if it uses Amiga ROM files or AROS ROM files?
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OlafSch 17-06-2024 16:18, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
test
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AMIGASYSTEM
AMIGASYSTEM 17-06-2024 16:12, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
[quote name=miker1264 post=5619] I'm using Caffeine OS on my Amiga 1200 with PiStorm 32 Lite. I'm quite impressed with it. I'd like to install AROS Caffeine or even AfA OS.[/quote] Caffeine OS is based OS 3.9, too bad they didn't add AfA OS to improve Graphics, Fonts and Window Themes!
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AMIGASYSTEM
AMIGASYSTEM 17-06-2024 16:06, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
@ntromans PageStream was an excellent software, the Amiga version not suitable for RTG screens, PageStream in a more modern version also exists for Windows, Macintosh and Linux
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Amiwell79 17-06-2024 15:47, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
Miker1264 I paid 700 euros, including shipping costs Prices for an Amiga 1200 have gone up a lot recently, not just for the 1200 itself I also got many accessories, including a handmade HDMI scandoubler that guarantees 720p/1080p resolution and can be used with Highgfx drivers I haven't had a chance to try it yet since I'm still waiting for the ROMs to arrive I also have a Gotek, an external disk drive, a network card, two joysticks, an optical mouse, a PCMCIA card for data exchange, a new PSU, a set of Workbench 3.1 disks, and a 32GB compact flash with the same OS I had ROMs, but they broke and I couldn't replace them I also got Workbench 3.2 with ROMs I spent a lot, but I don't regret it at all Anyway, it's a completely rebuilt ReAmiga from scratch I think the price is fair:)
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ntromans 17-06-2024 15:34, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
[quote name=AMIGASYSTEM post=5618]@AMIGASYSTEM - Yes, best Amiga software from 30 years ago that in today's times is of no use, only to nostalgics! ![/quote] Funnily enough, at work (teritary education) I am complemented for the excellence of my resources - made with PageStream 4... Cheers, Nigel.
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OlafSch 17-06-2024 13:54, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
[quote name=miker1264 post=5619]@miker1264 - Ten years from now, or even twenty years from now, if there's only one Amigan left then Amiga OS Classic will survive! I'm using Caffeine OS on my Amiga 1200 with PiStorm 32 Lite. I'm quite impressed with it. I'd like to install AROS Caffeine or even AfA OS. Amiga OS is what got me started many decades ago and it's what keeps me interested in AROS. L[/quote] I like both AROS and AmigaOS 3.1 because of its simplicity. In normal life i have to work with windows, it is powerful but also very complex. There are often problems you do not really understand the reason. On amiga-based platforms you can mostly easy find the reasons. And you can extend almost everything. That is expecially the case on 68k with the huge software base. For me the best part on 68k are not some old games or applications like DPaint but the countless small tools you can explore and integrate using sophisticated and configurable desktops. Of course you cannot do everything you do on mainstream platforms but it is hobby.
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miker1264 17-06-2024 13:49, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
Amiwell79 Awesome! I'm glad you bought an Amiga 1200. I bought my Amiga 1200 back in 2006 when prices were reasonable. I only paid $236 USD for my new old stock Amiga 1200 made by Amiga Technologies. I bought it from a place called Merlancia but I don't think they are still there. I'm quite pleased with my Amiga 1200. For a long time I refused to upgrade it in any way. It was using an old 240MB (yes I said Mega Bytes) mechanical hard drive. A few years ago I upgraded to an IDE to SD adapter with a 2GB SD card for the hard drive. It was running Workbench 3.1 for a long time. I also added an Indivision AGA scan doubler. About six months ago I added a PiStorm 32 Lite accelerator. My A1200 is now happily running Caffeine OS 924.
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Amiwell79 17-06-2024 12:41, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
I'll take care of Tiny Aros and, when needed, promote new software Meanwhile, I've bought an Amiga 1200 is a ReAmiga, but I haven't used it yet I'm missing the ROMs and I'm not sure whether to install 3.1 with MagicWB or 3.2, i have a Terrible Fire 060 LC, maybe I'll install some games, but I'd like to use the software to access Amiga websites and have some fun as a retro user
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miker1264 17-06-2024 11:19, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
Ten years from now, or even twenty years from now, if there's only one Amigan left then Amiga OS Classic will survive! I'm using Caffeine OS on my Amiga 1200 with PiStorm 32 Lite. I'm quite impressed with it. I'd like to install AROS Caffeine or even AfA OS. Amiga OS is what got me started many decades ago and it's what keeps me interested in AROS. L
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AMIGASYSTEM
AMIGASYSTEM 17-06-2024 06:38, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
Yes, best Amiga software from 30 years ago that in today's times is of no use, only to nostalgics! Enough with this nostalgia, let's think about the future, in about ten years when all Amiga users will be old, and no one will repair old Amiga hardware, Amiga OS won't be used anymore, only Emulation. AROS is the only system that can survive as it is a free system and runs on modern hardware!
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Amiwell79 16-06-2024 18:58, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
All the best Amiga software runs on OS 3.1
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AMIGASYSTEM
AMIGASYSTEM 16-06-2024 18:11, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
[quote name=pixie post=5615]@pixie *while I couldn't get it to work I know it happens to work, at least on amikit when you install it using only 3.1 files it does... never got to understand how though...[/quote] Installing Amikit with OS 3.1 is very easy, I did a test on the fly, installed in 2 minutes (vedi screenshot). As mentioned with WB 3.1 installed on AmiKit you won't be able to use the OS3.9 based Applications installed because ReAction doesn't work (see screnshot), for example you won't be able to use the text editor set to Dopus4 ! I have all Amiga OS installed on WinUAE "All" Here you can see some: https://www.amiganews.it/forum/viewtopic.php?p=257743 plus I have Amithlon installed on VirtualBox and VMware ! Amithlon includes parts of my AfA One + AfA OS, see video !!! https://youtu.be/Xf7oegRmBo0
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pixie 16-06-2024 16:18, 1 month ago
Re: MOS Ambient
[quote name=AMIGASYSTEM post=5613]@AMIGASYSTEM Native" OS3.9 applications will never work on OS3.1, when you run them, a request will say that you must have OS 3.9 or its libraries. Have you ever taken a look at the OS3.9 startup-sequence? Have you ever noticed the "Amiga ROM Update", have you ever looked at what's in the Classes folder without these components no "native" OS 3.9 application can run on OS 3.1. [/quote] Obviously.. the point made is there's not so much to start from... [quote name=AMIGASYSTEM post=5613] Have you ever noticed that OS 3.1 has all the System Application GUI's (e.g. screenmode, WBpattern, Locale etc..) are static and you can't adjust their width, the Icons management with the new Tooltypes Options, the new more advanced Shell, the Datatypes Descriptors that allow you to associate any file, with OS3.1 you can add as many Aminet Pachs as you want, the system will bloat and lose stability and you will never be able to install AfA OS or other enhancements created for OS 3.9.[/quote] From my experience I have no stabilities issues, bloat in WinUAE is a non issue, advanced shell I have KinCon which cover my needs, I also have deficons running, which I know isn't as advanced as 3.9. My datatype system even todays have news pictures supported such webp, and seem to work fine, ppaint and dpaint don't rely on 3.9 features or 3.5 so no problems there, but since I run WinUAE you might understand I do not rely solely solely on WB3.1 to display those. I have AFA installed* so I can get antialiased fonts and I use peterk's icon library instead of AFAOS own icons system, I cannot get themed though, but I use VisualPrefs + Birdie that I can customize at my owns will... I have other prefs that of own 3.1 own that use MUI, besides I am no fan of reaction either, so not much of a loss. If by Amiga OS you mean a system devoid of everything 4-coloured, where no files are associated, where no Media can be run then there is no point in continuing the discussion, everyone keep their own thoughts and let's close the discussion here.[/quote] Didn't knew there were no applications available to run media though, and I also didn't knew I was forced to 4 colour screens either since my picasso96 works just fine. In a sense I think it's you who doesn't know how the community provided and kept providing up this day, solutions to what WB3.1 lacked, which was possible due to its modular design. I have nothing against OS3.9 mind you, it should have a lots of benefits that I am not seeing, I just enjoyed having searched over aminet for some tools (not all is patches as you want to imply) that extended wb31's life so much more I ever expected to. *while I couldn't get it to work I know it happens to work, at least on amikit when you install it using only 3.1 files it does... never got to understand how though...
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