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764 posts | Last Activity on 07-03-2024 02:40 by deadwood
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deadwood 07-03-2024 02:40, 22 days ago
Re: Questions about usage of AROS
[quote name=Khadas post=4469]@Khadas - [quote name=deadwood post=4463][...] Now lets get back to helping new users :)[/quote] I think it is too late for that. :P[/quote] Sorry, what do you mean by that?
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Khadas 06-03-2024 21:26, 22 days ago
Re: Questions about usage of AROS
[quote name=AMIGASYSTEM post=4459]@AMIGASYSTEM - OlafSch, I did not create AROS One for me, but for all AROS users, initially I had my AROS based on AspireOS and IcarOS, then I decided to create my own Distribution trying to improve or add something of my own.[/quote] And it is great that people create things for others. [quote name=AMIGASYSTEM post=4459]I don't get angry because they prefer a Build Base, I get angry because people judge without having first tried and seen what is inside a Distribution, also I get angry because they don't listen to the advice of those who have more eseperience. When you are not experienced reinventing the wheel gets you nowhere, instead you should start from a base and continue to develop, only in this way do you create, otherwise you decline.[/quote] If you are talking about me, I didn't judge anything. I only said that Aros One comes with a lot of 3rd party software. In my case, I don't need the vast majority of these, and is likely other users will be in the same situation, but there is no option to choose which individual software to install, so in the end I will have to investing a lot of time installing everything, plus more time to delete the things that I don't need, hence why I suggested an approach similar to Icaros. Also, even when some people said "just delete the things you don't need", but as a totally new user of AROS and Amiga coming from Linux/Win background it is difficult to assess what is ok to delete and what is not. The three main OSes (Mac, Win, Linux) discourage a "manual" deletion of programs, rather use proper uninstalling methods to avoid deleting things you are not supposed to, so I cannot know if deleting "pixman.library" that comes already with Icaros and Aros One will affect something else in the system. [quote name=deadwood post=4463][...] Now lets get back to helping new users :)[/quote] I think it is too late for that. :P
AMIGASYSTEM
AMIGASYSTEM 06-03-2024 19:03, 23 days ago
Re: Best way to explore AROS?
Studenter, I don't want to be repetitive and biased, but starting from a basic system you have little to observe, and very difficult for an Amiga/Aros expert to assemble a system from scratch, if first with know the basics of Amiga/Aros For all that said in my opinion it is just wasted effort to start from scratch, my advice is to look in detail at AROS One, or IcarOS if you like magellan, this way you will gain two more years of experience in a few weeks. Of course you can ask as many questions as you want, and maybe with with our and experience, me even on Amiga for 30 years experienced, I am, indeed I was also the developer of Afa One (Amiga OS 3.9 BB4 + AfA OS)
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mattson62 06-03-2024 18:38, 23 days ago
Re: Best way to explore AROS?
I feel AROS invited me to explore it because it was very appealing looking at it for the first time and intresting and different from what i have experienced and ICAROS wowed me when i first installed it and saw how packed it was everything you could ever want in a OS.I have a love for retro os's and have alot on V.B. and love experiencing different from the same ol thing.AROS has put some excitement into computing for me seeing it grow and the Awesome work the AROS Team does to put it together.It's exciting to see a new Build,Core and to see a New TINY AROS and AROS ONE maybe even a redesigned New ICAROS someday.I also enjoyed exploring AROS through the Blogs,and web sites,some interesting stuff.
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Amiwell79 06-03-2024 18:30, 23 days ago
Re: Questions about usage of AROS
a lot of software in icaros is obsolete it doesn't take long to delete what you don't need on Tiny Aros
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Amiwell79 06-03-2024 18:25, 23 days ago
Re: Best way to explore AROS?
You could try buying the AmigaOS 3.1 workbench manuals
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miker1264 06-03-2024 18:08, 23 days ago
Re: Best way to explore AROS?
Hello, I'm not sure I fully understand the question. How to best explore AROS ? From my perspective the best way for me to understand how AROS works is to take it apart and put it back together again, hoping that it still works. :) Start with a basic installation, maybe just a core system or Tiny AROS. Then start adding features such as new window themes and a new icon set. Add some 3rd party apps from AROS Archives or Aminet such as Graphics programs or music players. You could use ffmpeg to convert music or video files to different formats too . Whether you are using Wanderer or Magellan just choose "All Files" and explore every folder which on AROS and Amiga are called "drawers". The file system directory structure is very basic. There is also much documentation available about AROS (and Amiga as well). Start with the Icaros Desktop User Guide. In the guide just substitute Icaros with AROS in general then it will start to make sense how AROS is organized.
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deadwood 06-03-2024 17:23, 23 days ago
Re: Questions about usage of AROS
Glad it worked. Now lets get back to helping new users :)
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Studenteer 06-03-2024 17:20, 23 days ago
Re: Best way to explore AROS?
Hello everyone, It maybe sound wierd from a AROS-user with one year experiences, but I looking for a "road to explore" AROS with some "must visited-places" to get better understanding of AROS (maybe also Amiga). Related to my target of developing improvements for AROS, I was trying to understand AROS and how it working. From my time of self-exploring, I started to thinking about the "right way" to finishing my targets and got many support from the Community, which answered questions as good as they were able. The road I walked until now has become quiet large. Keeping sure to not missed a "must visited", I asking for a recommened "road" to "explore" the OS AROS. I want to ask for a regular "road to explore" so others - with other targets - can also "walk on this road" without issues. Please don't specify answers on my situation only.
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OlafSch 06-03-2024 16:30, 23 days ago
Re: Questions about usage of AROS
[quote name=deadwood post=4457]@deadwood - [quote name=OlafSch post=4456]@OlafSch I work on it when I have new ideas and/or something better is there regarding aros base system on 68k ,f.e. when Deadwood updates roms witj 68k fixes or Arexx works *hint* :-) [/quote] *cough* *cough* [url]https://arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1145&rowstart=0#post_3143[/url][/quote] thanks works now. I still had a strange problem with rexxmast not working. I tested and finally realized that the newer version of magellan caused it, the older original version works only amiga makes it possible ;) BTW thank you
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miker1264 06-03-2024 12:54, 23 days ago
Re: Questions about usage of AROS
AMIGASYSTEM You're doing a fine job! Don't let what others prefer guide you in preparing your distributions. We all have different opinions. ;) I actually liked the AfA One distribution and AROS One 68k looked nice with the old icons. But that's just my opinion. I really do like the completeness of AROS One x86 especially when it comes to music and videos as well as all the many customizations. The assortment of software is also quite nice!
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AMIGASYSTEM 06-03-2024 12:23, 23 days ago
Re: Questions about usage of AROS
OlafSch, I did not create AROS One for me, but for all AROS users, initially I had my AROS based on AspireOS and IcarOS, then I decided to create my own Distribution trying to improve or add something of my own. I don't get angry because they prefer a Build Base, I get angry because people judge without having first tried and seen what is inside a Distribution, also I get angry because they don't listen to the advice of those who have more eseperience. When you are not experienced reinventing the wheel gets you nowhere, instead you should start from a base and continue to develop, only in this way do you create, otherwise you decline.
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OlafSch 06-03-2024 11:07, 23 days ago
Re: Questions about usage of AROS
[quote name=deadwood post=4457]@deadwood - [quote name=OlafSch post=4456]@OlafSch I work on it when I have new ideas and/or something better is there regarding aros base system on 68k ,f.e. when Deadwood updates roms witj 68k fixes or Arexx works *hint* :-) [/quote] *cough* *cough* [url]https://arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1145&rowstart=0#post_3143[/url][/quote] thanks I look at it
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deadwood 06-03-2024 10:20, 23 days ago
Re: Questions about usage of AROS
[quote name=OlafSch post=4456]@OlafSch I work on it when I have new ideas and/or something better is there regarding aros base system on 68k ,f.e. when Deadwood updates roms witj 68k fixes or Arexx works *hint* :-) [/quote] *cough* *cough* [url]https://arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1145&rowstart=0#post_3143[/url]
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OlafSch 06-03-2024 10:10, 23 days ago
Re: Questions about usage of AROS
[quote name=AMIGASYSTEM post=4434]@AMIGASYSTEM - miker you probably used a DVD, all OS now synstall from a Pendrive, with a Pendrive AROS One installs 5/8 minutes depending on PC power, otherwise even less Time. Even on VMware and VirtualBox AROS One 2.4 installs 5/8, even less if you use a modern perfomant PC Many "new users" when they try an empty Distribution with no productive applications and no configurationsi trash it, this is one of the reasons for the lack of diffusion. Unfortunately AROS users like Amiga users are tied to old systems, and do not like modernity, the same thing happened to me with AfA One, where people preferred OS 3.1, so at this point is it worth spending so much time ?[/quote] The question is for whom you doi it. I f.e. do it primarly for myself. My own distributions was critisized from others because of being bloated or someone moaned about icons. But that is not really my problem. I like it for what it is for, it is in my view not bloated but complete and icons are not perfect but OK. If someone else not likes it he or she not needs to use it. I work on it when I have new ideas and/or something better is there regarding aros base system on 68k ,f.e. when Deadwood updates roms witj 68k fixes or Arexx works *hint* :-) I do not need because of others expect it or someone else waits for it. I do not get paid for it. You react sometimes too thin-skinned if someone else says something or critisize what you do. Who cares? And yes majority of current amiga users are only interested in Amigaos 3.X. But again who cares. Do you do it for personal fun or for others? I do it only for myself
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deadwood 06-03-2024 05:31, 23 days ago
Re: Questions about usage of AROS
[quote name=AMIGASYSTEM post=4453]@AMIGASYSTEM because AROS is a "simple" system, where every file is in its right place. [/quote] I think this statement oversimplies the problem. A person coming outside of Amiga-land will not not know what "right place" is and having experience with installers/packages from mainstream platforms, questions on how to do things are nothing we should be surprised. I had the same questions and problems when I first came to AROS. @Khadas Here is the simplest quide I can come up with for general new user: After installing AROS keep the directories you see on AROS disk unchanged. Create a directory (let's call it Home or MyDocuments). It will be the place where you place additional software and will keep your files. After downloading an archive from AROS Archives unpack it into this directory. 99% of cases, after unpacking the software is ready to use, there is no need for additional actions. If when starting software complains about missing libraries, download the library and place it into AROS:Libs. That should get you started and allow to learn system specifics. As with any system, there are specific things to know (like the assigns that @AMIGASYSTEM described) Additional comment on the Archives: there is an application called AAEDT that allows downloading packages from the archive. It's similar to what you described in your post.
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AMIGASYSTEM 06-03-2024 05:04, 23 days ago
Re: Questions about usage of AROS
[quote name=Khadas post=4445] Also, the idea of downloading first the base system and then another ISO with additional stuff might not be such a great idea. In my case, I am totally new to AROS and never used an Amiga, so I don't know how I should properly "install" the contents of that additional ISO. .[/quote] As already mentioned, AROS is not Windows and it is not Linux and it is not a MAC, AROS is a "Portable" OS, installers are not necessary, although they can be created. It is difficult to find a program that provides an installer, this is because AROS is a "simple" system, where every file is in its right place. When you download an ISO or an archive, installing is super simple, just copy the files into their respective system folders, you don't have to do anything else, Also, if you want to streamline a system, you don't have to worry about creating slowdowns, if you need to delete third-party software or that you don't need, you just delete everything, the only caveat is to make sure there is no "Assign" to that folder .... The Assign command on Amiga/AROS is very important because it serves the system to figure out where data is installed, and more importantly it does something no other OS in the world does, i give you an example !!!! If for some reason you choose to change the name of a volume, for example call it "PIPPO" instead of "AROS" many configurations pointing to the volume "AROS" will not work. Well on AROS if you don't want to rename the volume you just add in the user-startup or startup-sequence [b]Assign PIPPO: AROS:[/b], Assign can also be used for folders. Of course on AROS One, among many configurations, the volume name can be changed, without the need to worry about the paths saved in the configurations, this is because in all saves the volume name is "SYS", let's say universal volume name ! If you want to find out how many assigns there are in the system just type from a Shell "Assign", if instead you want to see the contents of the Assigned volumes, just go to Dopus4 and click on the button "Device" Dopus4 is and has been fundamental on AMIGA/AROS systems, imitated on all OS, it is a filemanager where every type of file is recognized, so you can see texts, edit them, listen to music see videos, unzip any archive (ZIP, RAR, LHA, LZX, BZ2, RAF, TGZ and many others), all this on a basic system does not exist, basic Dous4 does not recognize almost anything ! This is one of the hundreds of configurations I have created, the same functions as Dopus4 you will find on Wanderer, again all file types are recognized, and each of the files is assigned the correct icon and tool and the correct stack, even this you will not find on a basic system.
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Khadas 06-03-2024 03:21, 23 days ago
Re: Questions about usage of AROS
[quote name=Jeff1138 post=4446] [...] Icaros approach still targets a huge sway of software than than individual ones. We have no central depositry that allows individual software other than aros-archives which you extract where you like and setup yourself usually. Not sure we have anyone wanting to take that huge task on though and would it be needed? Interesting discussion and look at others needs/wants though[/quote] The AROS Archives offers a nicely formatted TXT file with all the files available: [url]http://archives.aros-exec.org/share/FULLINDEX.readme[/url] And all the recent additions: [url]http://archives.aros-exec.org/share/RECENT.readme[/url] Parsing that file and creating a simple equivalent to apt-get wouldn't be difficult. Only challenging part would be to autodownload required libs for each software since there is no information in that TXT file about them. Showing the README file right before downloading/installing could help mitigate that problem. Something like Synaptic for Debian, but more simple and primitive. I don't know if [url=http://aros.aminet.net/]AmiNet[/url] offers something similar, but it could be possible to parse the HTML output of a search query like the next: [url]http://aros.aminet.net/search?name=.[/url] [quote name=deadwood post=4448]@deadwood - [quote name=Khadas post=4445]@Khadas There are young people who like alternative OSes and vintage hardware, but they don't want to buy an Amiga. I am not tied to old hardware. [/quote] If you know where to find them, please spread word of AROS. :)[/quote] It depends what you mean with "young", but around 25 to 30 years old people sometimes can be seen once in a while in youtube or around internet. Also might worth promoting things in [url]gemini://bbs.geminispace.org[/url] and/or [url]gemini://station.martinrue.com[/url] There is a fairly amount of movement, hobbyist and tech savvy people in either of these and all over gemini.
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deadwood 06-03-2024 01:49, 23 days ago
Re: Questions about usage of AROS
[quote name=Khadas post=4445]@Khadas There are young people who like alternative OSes and vintage hardware, but they don't want to buy an Amiga. I am not tied to old hardware. [/quote] If you know where to find them, please spread word of AROS. :)
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deadwood 06-03-2024 01:39, 23 days ago
Re: Do you use AROS as a daily driver?
[quote name=ntromans post=4437]@ntromans It meets my needs in education, albeit via Janus to run PageStream and Finalcalc, but also for building education 'tools' via Hollywood. I've even used it for online tutoring, with a touchscreen hacked onto my Samsung and some electronic whiteboard software I've written in Hollywood. I shared the AROS screen with a Linux box running Teams (again using Hollywood as it was a bit quicker than VNC), so admitedly AROS could not do everything there. [/quote] Wow, that's some creative use here. Congratz!
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